Thursday, May 27, 2004

If you only care about the lies of your opponent, you don't care much about the truth.

This is the season when liars come out to play. It's election time. Before November, almost half a billion dollars will be spent trying to get us to vote one way or the other. Responding to this onslaught of campaign propaganda simply exhausts the soul. How many messages do we face every day? How often do we simply accept the truth of something we hear without question, without evaluation?

Somebody in a position of apparent "authority" says something in a factual manner - a newscaster, an alleged witness, a pundit, an advertisement, an author - and we swallow it whole. Maybe it plucks at the edges of our conscience or fits neatly within the framework of our prejudices, but somehow it lodges in our brains as "true" and we believe it. Usually, the information we digest supports an existing worldview. We prefer one news show over another. We read certain magazines in search of facts that support our positions. The conclusions we reach very rarely alter the foundation of beliefs on which our worldview rests. Because most of us live our lives according to our worldviews, propaganda that enforces it is very easy to accept and propaganda that challenges it is very difficult to detect and debunk. We act as our very own "Spinmasters."

If this is the case, how are we to determine what is true and what is not? Since we are in the middle of sawing our house in half in this year's national War of the Roses, it strikes me that answering this question and then putting the program into action is a rather patriotic thing to do - even if it shakes our worldviews a bit. We can all do our part to dial down the chainsaw by doing a little critical thinking and then agreeing that we will not knowingly pass on slander, half-truths and general crap to our friends and neighbors.

What is "Critical Thinking?" I like this definition from the Clinical Epidemiology & Evidence-Based Medicine Glossary:

The disciplined ability and willingness to assess evidence and claims, to seek a breadth of contradicting as well as confirming information, to make objective judgments on the basis of well supported reasons as a guide to belief and action, and to monitor one’s thinking while doing so (metacognition). The thinking process that is appropriate for critical thinking depends on the knowledge domain (e.g.: scientific, mathematical, historical, anthropological, economic, philosophical, moral) but the universal criteria are: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound empirical evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth and fairness.


Hmmm. Let's look at those final words again, and then look at a case study. Again, "...the universal criteria are: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound empirical evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth and fairness."


Case Study: Swiftboat Veterans for Truth. This group of swift boat veterans maintain that John Kerry's leadership in the anti-war movement makes him unfit to be president. The group has also accused the Democratic leader of exaggerating the extent of his injuries so he could be awarded medals for courage and win an early release from his overseas tour. Do these accusations pass the critical-thinking sniff test? Yes and no.


The first accusation passes, but it is not fact-based and is therefore not really debatable. The swiftboaters believe Kerry betrayed his fellow servicemen with his testimony in 1971 in which he said American soldiers committed war crimes. Mr. Kerry has since said that he would phrase things differently as a mature adult than he did 32 years ago as a young man. If you believe that Kerry's opinion disqualifies him from the presidency, then that is your opinion. However, it cannot be disputed that he had and has the right to testify about his opinions in any way he so chooses. He was also far from alone in his opposition to the Vietnam War. It is a far stretch to equate his anti-war stance with an anti-veteran stance.


What are more troubling are the accusations about Kerry's war record. There is no logical connection between the legitimacy of Kerry's war record and his subsequent activism in the anti-war movement. No matter how much one may disagree with Kerry's thinking after the war, one cannot dispute the fact that he did serve, and by all accounts, served honorably and bravely. If we accept service records as empirical and fair evidence of his service, then Kerry's are in direct contradiction to the accusations of the Swiftboat Veterans. In fact many of the current accusations are made by the same chain of command that approved his glowing reviews and medals. Why the switcheroo?


That would speak to "good reasons." The "reasons" behind the attack are 100% political. Though they present themselves as non-partisan, Swiftboat Veterans for Truth is organized and funded by the GOP and features some enemies of Kerry, notably John O'Neill and Merrie Spaeth, that date back to Nixon.


But what about the accuracy of the allegations? Did Kerry really exaggerate the extent of his injuries in order to win medals? Is it really possible for Kerry to engineer a war event and falsely earn all those medals? How many of the accusers were actually on Kerry's boat? What do the men with whom he served say?


The allegations appear to be false at worst and gross distortions at best. Is it really conceivable that Kerry had the doctors, nurses, and entire chain of command in his pocket? Could he wound himself, then work the system to produce a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. It's not likely. At least that is beyond the level of debate in which I am willing to engage. Further, none of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth were on the boat with Kerry. Even though O'Neill authored an OP-Ed in the Wall Street Journal entitled, "I was on Mr. Kerry's boat in Vietnam. He doesn't deserve to be commander in chief" it is for the reader to discover that Mr. O'Neill served on the same boat as Kerry but at different times. He took command of Kerry's boat after Kerry had been discharged under the "wounded three times and your out" rule. Is that "accurate and fair?" Um. No.


Why haven't any of Kerry's shipmates joined the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth? With the exception of one, all of his shipmates give him high marks for courage and bravery. In fact, some of the veterans with whom Kerry served, including the gentleman whose life Kerry saved, appear in one of Kerry's ads. When you give a job reference, do you give the reference of the people who worked in the same company but in a different location, or worked there after you quit? Or do you give the reference of the people with whom you actually worked?


Finally, as a matter of conviction, I believe that such flimsy, obviously politically-motivated accusations about one veteran's combat service impugns all veterans, including the men and women doing the country's hard business in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. No matter what you’re political convictions or your opinion about Kerry's post-war opinion, the evidence (military records, testimony of those with whom he served, medals) discredits the ugly charges laid before us by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. So do us all a favor, dear reader, and don't pass them on.




69 Comments:

Randy said...

What about Steven Gardner? He was on the swift boat with John Kerry.

9:53 PM  
Stefanie Cook said...

Excellent analysis of the true motivations behind the group "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth"...The game of misinformation distribution and propaganda on the internet is incredible and most people do not bother to seek the truth (including the media). Thanks for researching and collecting the facts you did and helping shed light on the truth behind these groups of Veterans who are trying to discredit the honorable tour of duty served by John Kerry in Vietnam. The political motivation and misuse of Vietnam Vets is the real scandal here - People deserve to hear the truth. Your case-study was well researched, well written and fair & objective. Thanks.

2:44 AM  
Enponya1 said...

I am 51 years old, a former woman member of Vietnam Vetrans Against the War. I am just so glad to know that
all the horrible things that happened in Vietnam personally told to me by honorably discharged Vietnam Vets NEVER HAPPENED cause the Republican say so in 2004.
I am glad that when I sat with a group of 20 vets
watching "Platoon" first-run at a movie theater, the part where the cherry lieutant calls down friendly fire
on his own troups, and I muttered "Shoot him"---15 of
them turned around and said--"You KNOW--huh?" and gave me a big smile. Bottom line--you were a lousy leader in
Nam--you're name's on the wall in Washington D.C.
John Kerry's alive and well and running for President.
He must have been a good Vietnam leader.

10:41 AM  
Brian said...

You said that Kerry testified about his OPINION before the US Congress in 1971, and that now he says he'd "phrase things differently."

His testimony stated as fact (not opinion) that US soldiers were raping and pillaging Vietnam. It is not his opinion that is called into question: it is what Mr. Kerry presented as fact which clearly is not.

The opinion part of his testimony was that he thought the war was wrong. And no one is calling into question his opinion. Everyone agrees that Kerry disliked the war.

Of course, if you want to do a little critical thinking you should ask: how can a man simultaneously claim to be a hero of an action that he also points out he opposed? On this issue (and many others), Mr. Kerry tries to have it both ways.

He is both an anti-war hero and a war hero? He is for the Iraq war, voted against it, and thinks it should be handled differently? How about some real critical thinking here...
(sigh)

12:44 PM  
EdgeOne said...

You are right... they (democrats, independents, and veterans) are ALL lying and the single politically-motivated person in the group, John Kerry, is telling the truth.

What is their motivation? We know what his is.

2:42 PM  
chanur said...

Very well written, Chris.

I came across this piece while researching information for my own site (Chanur's Place). It is an archive of news articles that I feel should not be lost or forgotten. Since this isn't a news article it doesn't really fit there, but would you mind if I re-posted this on the Colorado Veterans for Kerry site?

4:38 PM  
Dan Devine said...

As a general philosophical construct conservatism observes tight ( some may characterize them as restrictive) moral behavior. Lying is at the very least frowned upon and, when corroborated with fact, spells certain political death. Witness George Bush senior's "read my lips" debaucle.

On the other hand, liberalism is defined by a lack of restrictions ( some may characterize these restrictions as morals). As a result truth is, to a liberal, at best subjective. Witness Bill Clinton questioning the defintions of simple words. Lying to a liberal is simply a reinterpretation of the events in question according to an individuals point of veiw, and those who lie masterfully are seen as clever and open minded.

Now let us examine this quote:
"one cannot dispute the fact that he did serve, and by all accounts, served honorably and bravely"

firstly..."one cannot dispute that he did serve" Here we see our protagonist trying to redirect the argument to debate Kerry's service hoping that the mere fact that he served is honorable despite his conduct while in said indisputable service. I'm sorry dykstra, no one is disputing his service, just his conduct while serving.
next..."and by all accounts, served honorably and bravely"...this is a patently false statement. The very ad which is ranted against indisputably contains accounts to the contrary. The trick he wishes to use here is to discredit the testimony of those in the ad by disregarding them as any account at all. He would say, echoing the master, "it depends on what you mean by the term "accounts."....and what you mean by "served with John Kerry"...ect.

Truth is what is. It is not an interpretation or a point of view. It exsists independently of human interaction and communication, but it can be defined by that interaction and communicated accurately. We know which philosophy values the accurate communication of truth and which feels truth itself is simply the
product of the perspective of the communicator. Into which camp does it appear Dykstra falls? Whos is more likely to "tell the truth"?

9:11 PM  
Dan Devine said...

just checking

9:59 PM  
joevlad said...

This type of reporting is disturbing to me. I am a Vietnam veteran. I personally know the physician and the admiral involved in the swiftboat veterans for the truth movement. These men are putting their reputations on the line. They are honorable men. We're talking about an admiral!

There are officers in this group. Out of 26 or so officers that served on the swiftboats with Kerry, only 1 Kerry has gotten to support him. The majority do not support him.

And the idea that these men come out for 100% political reasons have no basis in fact. Zero. Some of these men have been active against Kerry all the way back to his Senate run, but Chris Dykstra doesn't want to report that. Or he doesn't report that the gunner on Kerry's boat is a member. Many of the people in the group served with Kerry for months, not just occasionally.

Also, swiftboats aren't involved in search and destroy missions as Kerry claims to have been involved in. There is NO shrapnel in underwater mines. Look at the doctors report he made at the time for Kerry's first purple heart. He threw him out. Come on guys, this is dishonest reporting. Let's hear the truth.

Kerry left his swiftboat the day he got his 3rd purple heart. He is the only 1 in the swiftboats to leave because of 3 purple hearts. All minor injuries, no hospital stays, no bullets, no broken bones, nothing. I did not accept a purple heart in '62 because I did not feel the injury was serious enough, it was just a scratch I said, (as they pulled out the wood from my leg when a tree exploded 10 feet from me).

Maybe you should be honest in your reporting. Talk to people involved. I did not serve with Kerry, but his accusations (which not a single person would stand up and swear to) after the war were abominable.

Did you know that the organization Kerry helped found had multiple frauds in it? Some of these people NEVER served in Vietnam but pretended to, it's a FACT. Look it up. The media doesn't tell you this stuff.

Lastly, it's our job to pull people out of the water, to carry our fallen comrades out of the battlefield. It's dishonorable to boast about these things. It was our duty to our friends and comrades.

Do your research, these are not just a few GOP backed disgruntled vets. It is a large group of OFFICERS, 1 is an ADMIRAL, and non-officers.

They have a voice and have come out to stop a travesty. It's time the truth about Kerry came out.

9:52 AM  
Chris Dykstra said...

Thanks for the comments folks. I respond to them in today's post. I apologize for the clunky posting system. I plan on upgrading soon. By the way, please feel free to circulate the article at will.

11:16 PM  
Anonymous said...

I wasn't with swiftboats, but with a Marine ground unit. I was a simple grunt, and I've a problem with Kerry and his medals.

Tell me, someone: How does someone, outside Audie Murphy, win so many heavy medals (Silver Star, Bronze Star, 3 PH's) in just 120 days' in-country?

I smell a rat, here. And, apparently, so do millions others.

Odd it is: Americans who didn't--indeed, wouldn't--serve in Southeast Asia (while others of us did), now claim the right to tell us who our heroes are. And, oddly enough, the people calling themselves heroes are often former members of the most radical leftwing organizations our country has ever sprouted.

Among the many who question Kerry's record and ability to lead are former high-ranking (read: a retired Navy Admiral) officers, highly-decorated combat vets of virtually every branch of service.

Thirty-five years ago, leftists proudly, defiantly immolated the American flag. Now they're trying to pawn themselves off as heroes and 'military-types.'

Fool me once, shame on you: fool me twice, shame on me.

It's doubtful I'll ever take up arms again against a foreign aggressor: but who's to say I won't take up arms against the new American left?

Try me.

5:34 PM  
Chris Dykstra said...

Anonymous-- Your request for anyone to tell you how Kerry won his medals is easily answered. You have but to read his military records and the testimony of the men who were on the boat with him. That's the story.

No one is trying to tell you who your heroes are. You don't think John Kerry is a hero? Fine. But be clear about your reasons. You don't think he was a hero because of his participation in the anti-war movement.

His service on the battlefield and his post-war activities are not related-- except in the minds of the Swifties and reactionaries like you.

7:36 PM  
Anonymous said...

You're either an accomplished liar or simply a master at disinformation, Chris--though, at any rate, they're one and the same.

For those seeking truth about John Kerry's Vietnam service, try www.wintersoldier.com, or www.swiftvets.com. There are countless other similar websites, but try these for now, and then draw your conclusions freely.

But, above all--unless you simply love perusing leftist propaganda--don't even begin to listen to Chris. Anyone using Joe Conason's name should be placed beneath a microscope for closer scrutiny.

RVN '67-'69
1/26, USMC

8:34 AM  
Anonymous said...

One of the men who worked one of John Kerry's three combat wounds (and, yes, Kerry received a PH for this one, too), has stated that the injury he treated was a minor flesh wound, or a mere 'scratch,' as the doctor termed it.

If you've served militarily, you'll recall that we often scoffed at these types of wounds. My father, a two-war combat vet, said: "Most guys wouldn't dare accept a PH for anything so simple. To boast a PH for anything other than a reasonably severe wound is considered a travesty."

A Bill Mauldin cartoon features one of his beloved WWII characters , "Willie," standing before a medic at a battalion aid station in a rear area. Willie's obviously worse-for-wear in the graphic: In the wake of battle, he's days' unshaven, filthy, ragged of uniform--though unhurt. Still, an indifferent medic is seen offering Willie a Purple Heart Citation. Willie responds: "Just gimme a coupla aspirin. I already got a Purple Heart."

And the difference between WWII 'Willie' and John Kerry is....?

Anyone?

6:22 PM  
Anonymous said...

B.S. :)

11:13 PM  
Anonymous said...

Chris,
You fail to see the truth because you haven't lived it. I remember my father and how Vietnam destroyed him not physically , but psychologically. Unfortunately for you, there are thousands of families like mine. We are the broken families made so by the radical John Kerry's of that era. The soldiers he trashed with his lies that were treated as less than men deserve a better president. Don't you think so?
WT McDavid

12:02 AM  
CMEddy said...

Chris, you ask why Mr Kerrys record in VietNam is Important. He made it so:
From the USA Today:

The fierceness Kerry exhibited then is on display as the Massachusetts senator battles President Bush in what is already a nasty campaign. While Bush has been forced to defend his service in the Texas Air National Guard, Kerry has willingly conjured up his past as a combat-tested Mekong Delta skipper. Campaign ads feature footage of him in the jungle. Kerry, 60, says his actions then inform his leadership now.
"He's a very passionate person, and nothing is he more passionate about than Vietnam," Brinkley says. "Vietnam is part of this guy's makeup."

After this kind of buildup in the USATODAY, and Mr. Kerry himself using the pictures of men in uniform who DIDN'T support his views, it is only honest to respond to the issues HE brought up.

He says his VietNam experiences make him fit for comanding the greatest force in the world. We Veterans (most of us) say 4 months and a dubious record disagree.

Keep passing around those E-mails folks. The truth Must Win Out!

1:57 PM  
VERITAS said...

Most patriotic Vietnam veterans don't want Kerry to be President for his past flip-flopping on national defense issues.

Personally, I think Kerry is basically a leftist opportunist who will react to further Islamic terrorist attacks against the U.S. in much the same way that President Clinton did, which is to say do little or nothing.

I support President Bush's re-election.

3:13 PM  
Anonymous said...

John Kerry ought to be ashamed of himself.

11:39 PM  
Anonymous said...

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11:42 PM  
gd1631 said...

As a lifelong Democrat, I have problems trying to decide who should be President. I have looked all over the internet to parse pro and con for Kerry and Bush and there are many things that disturb me. I retired from the Marine Corps and know a thing or two about the military. After looking at Swiftvets.com's web site and viewing Kerry's FitReps, I would never promote him. I also know that team members will bite their tongues and sing praises on their fellow members because of loyalty to the team. I want to vote for Kerry but have serious doubts now. The fact that there are some of his team members that stand to gain positions in his administration makes me question whether their praises are heartfelt. You comment on "Critical Thinking" yet your post appears to be one sided. I started on that same side until I started getting pelted by negatives being spread. At that point I decided to look at this election objectively. I feel that it is my duty to vote and I cannot vote for Kerry if his campaign won't release all of his record. I question why he would not want them all released and the only viable explaination is that there are negatives that he is trying to keep hidden. If I vote for Bush, at least I know that what he has released, satisfies any "Critical Thinker's" idea that he's not trying to hide any of his military service and that through my own experiences, the statements that he was in an inheritantly more dangerous military profession is true.
From a military standpoint, I understand charactor as much as anyone else and I also know that it will in most cases define who someone is. Charactor is something that rarely changes dramatically over time and I can easily see someone getting through the military as Kerry did, even with serious flaws that would cause me not to want to vote for him.

8:01 AM  
Anonymous said...

How, indeed, did Kerry win so much heavy metal (a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, and Three Purple Hearts) in so short a period of time in-country?

Really, and I mean this earnestly and without rancor--how would anyone, aside from Audie Murphy, win so much in so short a period of time?

10:07 PM  
Anonymous said...

If you truly believe that all questions regarding Kerry's military service are 'politically motivated,' why then did folks like you say nothing when Democrats so viciously assailed Bush's military record?

The Dems started this brouhaha, Chris--you know it; we all know it--so don't whine now that the political shit is blowing back in your face.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous said...

So how come he never lost any time from duty if he was really injured?

Now that his lies about being in Cambodia (which he wasn't) while Nixon was president (Nixon was not president until the following February), do you think maybe he is less than truthful?

9:44 PM  
Anonymous said...

I think its ridiculous how you would rather believe a campaining polititian rather than 200 honarable veterans who served in the war with him. These men all served with him at one point or another and for different amounts of time, but they all came together as they became outraged at the claims of Mr. Kerry. Those who served with him did not have to sit on his little boat to see the nature of his behavior. From the other 3 or 4 boats in the company they can see just as well.

Its also somewhat amusing that you would like to accept the three purple hearts when two were from self-inflicted wounds and the other was a minor injury. Mr. Kerry is the only man in history to recieve a purple heart with no hostile fire. Of course he was only trying to recieve purple hearts to escape combat.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous said...

Kerry medals were awarded by going around the chain of command by someone in power that was helping him. He also got his release from Vietnam after only 4 month using the same authority. Kerry went to Vietnam for one reason, to gain a military wartime experience to allow him to follow the path JFK took to get into political office. Kerry is the ultimate poser. He was hated by is Vietnam Swiftboat chain of command because it was only working for himself. The Democratic party may win the election, but later they will regret putting this man in the White House. He may indeed find away to commit high crimes sufficient that even the Democrat want him gone.

10:23 AM  
Anonymous said...

I'm still having trouble trying to figure how Mr. Kerry could've won so many medals in so short a time in-country. Audie Murphy step aside, or so implies Kerry's non-stop propaganda gristmill.

And to think that the left hated us when we were in Southeast Asia. Now they're calling us heroes--that is, if we're aligned with them politically. Always a pre-condition for these folks.

Still as devious as they were in '68, only now they're older and more even more vengeful.

9:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

I think you score some points on the surface of the debate. My question comes to that fact that the accomodations were the result of Kerry's own reports. Also, that he applied for his first purple heart. That is not heroic. Not being on the boat doesn't mean that you could not observe events such as heavy fire, especially when you were within 50 to 200 yards. Also, there was a report that Kerry's boat was undamaged, no bullet holes. Also, Oneil has contributed roughly $25,000 dollars to democratic campaigns which is more than he contributed republicans. Basically what I am getting at is that we have over sixty veterans that honorably served in Veitnam as Kerry did and they have a different point of veiw. We can not just discount them as being political hacks. Afterall, Kerry put his war record out there. That makes it fair game. As a voter I am interested in all of the facts and veiws out there.

8:18 PM  
Chris Dykstra said...

That's a somewhat reasonable response. I, too, think that there are probably varying accounts of the level of Kerry's "heroism." I recognize that the image Kerry presents to the world is carefully constructed for effect. There is, no doubt, a sliver of truth to the idea that Kerry was an ambitious, self-serving officer.

I answer that with this: I don't care. There were a thousand who could fit that bill. Kerry served. He didn't have to serve. But he went. The record says he served well. His shipmates say he served bravely. The shrapnel that entered his arm could have entered his eye, or his brain. Would that satisfy the Smearboat Vets?

The "accounts" of the Swifties are all suspect. None of their accounts are part of the public record, except for the positive reviews of the men who now supposedly revile him. Why? Many of them served after or before Kerry was there. What they mostly say is that they are really, pissed at him for his testimony before the senate concerning his opposition to the war. I accept that, but it isn't connected to Kerry's actual service. O'Neil may have voted for and supported Democrats but he has an unreasoned hatred of Kerry. Kerry humiliated him on the David Frost show 3 years ago and he has never gotten over it.

Yes, Kerry put his record out there. It's fair game. But these guys aren't talking about his record. They are talking about everything but.

3:10 AM  
Chris Dykstra said...

Kerry appeared on the Frost show 35 years ago.

3:16 AM  
Anonymous said...

I am an independent voter and I heard a report that the Navy reported no evidence of damage to John Kerry's swift boat. No, bullet holes or structural damage that day. How can a boat come under "heavy" fire and return undamaged? Is this a lie by the Navy to dispute Kerry's record.

10:27 AM  
Anonymous said...

As a 3 tour vietnam veteran and a holder of a Silver Star; Bronze Star with Oakleaf clusters; and 3 Purple Hearts; I can tell you that you do not go running to become decorated everytime you get an owie. And to receive s Silver Star takes much more than shooting an individual...I question why Kerry would even start to share his alleged war record knowing that vets like me would look closer. He was in country for 4 months and in the shit for less than 3 months and received 3 PR's and never spent a day in the hospital...I would not have even thought about doing that. I lost an eye, lost hearing in one ear, and still have a bullit in my back. I had fingers cut alnost off and other injuries and never thought of going for another PH....let us not forget about the real war heros....and those who gave their lives for the rest of us.....I do not even consider myself any tyoe of hero...there were greater men than I decorated and lost their lives...and Kerry has the balls to tell us he is a hero......

5:55 PM  
Anonymous said...

As a 3-generation U.S. Marine family member, I resent your blog. You don't know what really happened with Kerry. You weren't there. You don't know if Kerry embellished his reports. There is no way you can say with any certainty who is telling the truth. Everyone who ever served in the armed forces knows of "hot dogs" and maybe Kerry was one. What soldier carries a camera and films his actions? Very strange. And 4 months (actually 3 -- he trained for a month) in a Viet Nam training camp. Let's have a real investigation and find out who is telilng the truth.

8:42 AM  
Anonymous said...

I am a 6-year Army veteran and I support the swift boat veterans. I am not a Republican. I vote for the best person. I am not convinced, as you say, that this group is funded by the GOP, although I am sure many contributions come from people who are opposed to John Kerry. As veterans, we are entitled to speak our peace without being badgered by John McCain, John Kerry or others. To claim that Kerry is a war hero for serving 4 months in Viet Nam is preposterous. When he got his purple hearts, he bugged out. A war hero does not do that. He centered his qualification to be President based on his Viet Nam service. That is now coming back to haunt him.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous said...

160 men who served with him dispute his claims,vs his immediate crew minus 1. I also notice in the picture of him & his crew, all appear to be wearing medals. Did he reccommend them? That might explain a few things.
After all the screaming you libs have been doing, I'm going to buy the book, and if I find it credible, send them a donation.
I wonder what conclusions your "critical thinking" led you to regarding michael moore's "documentary"?

1:37 PM  
Anonymous said...

Thoughtful piece here, Chris. You write: "...The "reasons" behind the attack are 100% political."

Probably true, but remember, _Senator Kerry_ has made his military record a political issue.
I think we need to realize that there is still deep-seated resentment against people of Kerry's "anti-war" ilk during the Vietnam era.

IMHO, the "swiftboat issues" provides a forum for these frustrated individuals (many whom are vets and others supportive of the war and disallusioned with the lack of public support in Vietnam) to vent and say "See...our so-called hero was actually a subversive hyprcrite."

The times in which we now live with this volatile world have important parallels to Vietnam -- which, again, frustrates the crap out the swiftboaters and other flag wavers. History repeats itself...

3:15 PM  
Anonymous said...

It is most obvious that you have little knowledge of the military and how it works. As a veteran of the Navy I can tell you that most members...especially officers write their own evaluations and award requests which are then "rubber stamped" by upper command. What would be interesting is if Kerry would simply sign a release of his records and we can see how his commanders ranked him among his peers. To simply have 4.0 evaluations means nothing. It is all about the records...what does he have to hide?

5:12 PM  
Chris Dykstra said...

As is noted in the article above, Kerry's records are fully released and available:

John Kerry's Military Records

5:22 PM  
Anonymous said...

I enjoyed your editorial, and I do agree that most of their accusations are troubling however I found very disturbing that Kerry has now changed his statements, he know admits do leaving the area then returning to pick up the soldier. A direct contradiction to his filing for the medal. Its also interesting that he is the only one to file for a medal, how come know one else on his boat or the surronding boats filed a report about the incident, this really makes me want to believe that there was no gun fire from the enemy. So far no one else at the scene has confirmed there was enemy fire except for Kerry, not even the soldier(who appeared in his ad) would confirm this though he didn't deny it either,lol. I agree with your comments in the first part about his anti-war comments, that doesn't bother me, what bothers me is he was a member of a group that was totally bogus(Winter Soldier Hearings), only Kerry and one other guy in the entire group served in Vietnam. The rest including the leader all lied. There is no way Kerry did not know this. Both candidates are extemely disturbing at the moment, it basically comes down to choosing a President with good principals but can't implement his policies well or a man with bad principals who can implement a policy.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous said...

Another distortion of the facts by the democratic party and its continuance of the lies for which they are famous.

11:12 PM  
Anonymous said...

You people cannot accept the truth: Kerry lied; betrayed his comrades; and based on all his flip-flops, his voting record, and his recent absence on voting opportunities, he cannot be trusted to be the president of the US in the time of war.

11:43 PM  
Anonymous said...

Chris, pull you head out of your liberal @$$ and truly search for the whole truth. You have obviously never served a day in uniform much like your liberal dope smoking friends. There is no way that 250 military members are all lying. Is there political motivation? You can bet your back side that there is but there is also political embellishment from the Kerry camp and Kerry himself. The same group that stood around and sang “Give Peace a Chance” as they rolled their next joint. The same group that is pushing the “Kerry as a war hero” rhetoric. True hero's do not brag about their selfless service to this great Nation. US Army Veteran and proud of it!!!

11:51 PM  
Anonymous said...

jesus....whenever you buy a home you request a home inspection right??????????.... we have been inspection the current president for 4 years yes 4 years... all of the sudden this comes in the media...not only is it considered a right wing plot, but it been labeled a flat out lie..... come on..why wont kerry release his medical records to at least prove he has some sort of schratnel in his leg????????.......hmmmmmmm.....isnt this some sort of inspection on this nominee???? why cant he just tell the truth...... its a damn shame..... i hope im not in america whenever someone decides to fly a plane into a building if mr 3 purple hearts is in office......

12:30 AM  
Anonymous said...

John Kerry was in Vietnam. Bush wasn't. If John Kerry spent only 3 minutes and 15 seconds in Vietnam, with 5 seconds of that under fire, he is more qualified to be referred to as a hero then the President who skipped national guard.

Any view of Kerry as less than a patriot, while Bush is, reveals a psychopathic tendency to find fault with Democrats while blindly accepting everything the Republicans say. This is in itself an ugly manifestation of those who hate freedom, despise democracy and loath real heroes while celebrating those who would never set foot near a warm gun.

In a war scenario, with bulletfire erupting from hidden jungle quarters, there is no doubt who would be the most dependable person to follow behind. His name is not George Bush, the chickenhawk.

3:07 AM  
Anonymous said...

It doesn't take a stem cell researcher to recognise that Kerry upset the Republican establishment in the Seventies and that from Nixon to Bush they have maintained a concerted effort to smear Kerry.

They all have one thing in common. They are Republicans, and have an agenda beyond furthering democracy. The same agenda one might add that chooses a president whose strategic ability extends to revenge and maintaining oil supplies. This group also have one other thing in common. They can be bought.

Charles Frith
London
cefrith@hotmail.com

3:19 AM  
Anonymous said...

thank you for your valuable service to { GET THE TRUTH OUT } This is the same tactic they used on Sen. McCain, turn the tables away from the non-service record of "W" and his disgusting youthful indiscretions. I am in hopes Sen Kerry lets this ride out and then and only then releases all of his health records and force Bush into a liars trap. They tried to hide the bush service records and all his Texas governer records are now hidden in Daddy"s library. Why?????

1:13 PM  
Anonymous said...

As a Vietnam Veteran who served as a company commander in Vietnam, I have some experience about heroism: that is, there is very little heroic that goes on in much of combat, particularly in most of Vietnam, where hardly any one who was wounded ever saw who or what hit them. I was once fired at by a sniper three times, and I could hear the rounds go by a foot or so above my head. The sniper was one click high on his scope or I would have been dead. That's combat, the luck of the draw. Friendly fire was commonplace. Men under my command got purple hearts for scrathes, just as Kerry did. And some of my soldiers died. And some, like myself, got a Bronz Star for "merely" doing my duty as a commander. I begrudge them none of those medals. The real ignominy about Kerry is not what did or didn't happen in his boat, but what Kerry did was to disgrace his uniform by tossing his medals, accusing me and 600,000 other war Vets of being criminals, lie about non-existen atocities. I have nothing but scorn for Kerry and his ilk.
Lt. Col James E Chipps, Ret.

2:23 PM  
Anonymous said...

I am curious to know, with all this flap about John Kerry's combat record, why absolutely no one in the national press has commented the simultaneous contribution of George Bush of flying tropical plants across the Gulf of Mexico in the backseat of his F 102, or the temporal coincidence between the air national guard instituting mandatory drug testing with its flight physicals and Bush being grounded for failure to show up for one of these flight physicals.These appear as a timeline in a Mother Jones article(We Were Soldiers Once?)

5:47 PM  
Anonymous said...

I hope by this time (8/21/04) you have had the opportunity to read "Unfit for Command". Put yourself in the place of all the vets (who had been in 'Nam with Kerry) when he told the Senate they beheaded, raped, electric-shocked, maimed, shot, and burned houses. I can't blame the buddies for not supporting Kerry at this crucial time. Why should they be thought of as guilty because of his dastardly lies? He has no regard for anyone but himself while trying to "enhance" his "service" to our country. That's about as self-serving as anyone can get.
BRING ON THE TRUTH, JOHN

9:50 PM  
Anonymous said...

Why does Kerry keep sending representatives (who were never in Viet Nam) to TV shows to argue against the Swiftboat vets? Why doesn't he appear himself and argue with them? He wants Bush to denouce the Swiftboat ads but I don't remember him ever condemning Whoopee Goldberg or the other ads that put down Bush. What a whiner. I am beginning to dislike him.

6:18 AM  
Anonymous said...

I think we have another Al Gore with John Kerry -- same traits: embellishes, lies, loves to hear himself talk, whines, bores you to tears and changes his mind to suit the moment.

6:37 AM  
Anonymous said...

Kerry should release all of his records. There are serious charges here and if he released all this records (rather than just the ones he picks to post on his website) he will be a lot more credible.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous said...

You, Sir, are truly ignorant. To imagine that the dozens of veterans are "making up" accusations about Kerry is pure leftist stupidity.

5:33 PM  
Chris Dykstra said...

You mean the "leftist stupidity" of John Mccain, Kerry's shipmates, the early statements of leading Swift Boat Vets themselves, long silent vets just now coming forward to support Kerry because they can't stand the lies, Kerry's records? I dare you, drop your ideology for just a second, and really really examine the charges of the Swift Vets. They don't hold up.

6:00 PM  
Anonymous said...

The Bush/Cheney conspiracy will stoop to whatever low levels necessary to maintain their strangle hold on the finances of this country. Attacking John Kerry and supporting those liers that are becoming millionairs from this book is about as low as possible, even for Bush and Cheney - but then both were cowards, draft dodgers and AWOL. What else can we expect.

7:07 PM  
Anonymous said...

Please explain Kerry's Cambodian BS

3:20 PM  
Anonymous said...

When is Kerry going to sit down with the Swift Boat vets face to face instead of sending Hurley and other spokemen(who know nothing about the incident)? I want to hear them both. Now we find out Kerry's own journal in his own handwriting 9 days after the incident writes they had not come under any fire yet. Which is it? How can you trust this man?

8:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

When is Kerry going to sit down with the Swift Boat vets face to face instead of sending Hurley and other spokemen(who know nothing about the incident)? I want to hear them both. Now we find out Kerry's own journal in his own handwriting 9 days after the incident writes they had not come under any fire yet. Which is it? How can you trust this man?

8:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

When is Kerry going to sit down with the Swift Boat vets face to face instead of sending Hurley and other spokemen(who know nothing about the incident)? I want to hear them both. Now we find out Kerry's own journal in his own handwriting 9 days after the incident writes they had not come under any fire yet. Which is it? How can you trust this man?

8:18 PM  
Anonymous said...

THE SWIFTY SAID IT TO KERRY BEST...IF I'M LYING, SUE ME!

12:28 PM  
Pit said...

John Kerry betrayed his fellow veterans with his Senate testimony in 1971. What we are seeing now is the backlash John Kerry created by committing this offense and then trying to use his Vietnam service as the centerpiece of his campaign for President.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous said...

good of you to only mention the points that support your predisposition to defend Kerry. Was Kerry in Cambodia on Christmas eve 1969 or not? He wasn't, he was lying. That is a fact. Are all 60 Swiftboat vets lying? Come on! You are only deceiving yourself.

4:48 PM  
Anonymous said...

Anyone who has been in the military long enough (like me) will tell you, yes, absolutely awards are often given which are not deserved. Also, I'd like for you to find me some other guys who were wounded three times in Vietnam and then sent home just for it. I'm sure such a regulation existed, but even more sure am I that one would have to (especially in Vietnam) personnally lobbied for it to take advantage. No Vietnam vet I've talked had ever even heard of it. If you think that it's not possible to "game the system" in the military, well you're naive. Everybody who has ben in the military for even one term has seen alot of guys game the system.
As far as the smell test goes: This part of John Kerry's war record is not even challenged by Kerry/Edwards: John Kerry got three purple hearts, but never spent a night in a hospital, got stitches, or even missed a day of duty. Now how common is that? Not really the picture "3 purple hearts" paints, now is it? Also, the only one who has actually been CAUGHT in a lie about John Kerry's service is Kerry. He told a story that turned out to be a complete fabrication. He spoke of being in Cambodia on Christmas of 1968. He said the experience was "seared, SEARED in my mind!" Then it turned out he was never there at all.
One more point: yes the men who are out against Kerry did not serve on his boat, but they were in fact closer to him and in more a position to evaluate his performance than the guys who served on his boat. They were all the other officers, the other swiftboat commanders (and the swiftboats very seldom went out alone). Guys who ate, slept, attended meetings with and had the exact same job as Kerry? Well there's not one of them that has anything good to say about John Kerry's performance, not ONE. I guess if private dipshit Linney from my unit ever makes a run for office, and I want to talk trash, a big deal will be made that I drove a different hummer than him?
One more thing about the smell test: the guys on Kerry's boat who say such great things of him all have jobs with the kerry campaign. In other words, they're being paid by John Kerry. Ask a vet, any vet: does it ever happen that awards are given to the guy who is out to recieve them rather than earn them? The answer will be a chuckle and then a "Oh, hell yes. All the time"

6:33 PM  
Anonymous said...

As a Vietnam veteran, Air Force F-4 fighter pilot, who flew over 100 missions into and over N. Vietnam, I applaud Kerry's distinguished military service. As I was awarded the Air Force's Flying Cross, a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star, I do have every right to voice an opinion on Kerry's comments to a Congressional sub committee in the 1970's. His comments were an indictment of all Vietnam veterans and like most vets, we will not vote for this silver spoon in mouth loose cannon!

9:33 AM  
Anonymous said...

Let get off of 30 year old war and talk about the future. I am a republican and a veteran. I am wondering why John Kerry does not want to talk about his last 20 years in the senate. Why does he play the "switcheroo"? on so many important issues for this country. He will come in and raise taxes, cut national defense and then 3 years later say "oops I made a mistake". We cannot afford a mistake like John Kerry.

12:13 PM  
Anonymous said...

My name is Dawn Brewer and my husband Harold Brewer served three tours in Vietnam. When wounded during Tet of 68' he begged the army not to send him home but to let him stay and serve. Unfortunately his wounds at the time prevented him from serving his position as a SSGT Tank Commander in II Corps. He and others from his group were wounded more than once and refused purple hearts for those wounds as they did not feel such wounds merited such high standing award. We belong to a veterans group locally through our Vet Center. I have heard this same scenario many times over. Our Vietnam veterans, all those I know and have spoken with feel very betrayed by Senator Kerry. What he did when he returned home not only in this country but in France puts him in a position no less than that of traitor to America. The facts of his record do indeed reflect that. War is never pleasant and no one but the warrior can ever know with complete comprehension what war can do to a person. This is not just Vietnam, but since the beginning of time. Senator Kerry touts that he served two tours in Vietnam but was only in country 4 months including his wounded time. He has lumped into one group, all veterans. I have great fear in these days that partisonship is blinding truth in this country. I think it is our moral obligation to set aside partisonship and do what is right for our country. Mr. Kerry has betrayed his country on several occassions and has additionally turned his back on our military on several occassions right up to 2004. Now you want to convince the American people that this man is indeed suitable to be Commander in Chief? From a moral point of view as a registered Democrate I say, you should be ashamed of what you have become and the risk you are exposing our county to.
A loyal American
Dawn Brewer

4:30 PM  
Anonymous said...

former U.S.Navy, served from 1969 - 1972. I can care less about Kerry's service record just as he can care less about mine. My problem is his association with Hanoi Jane Fonda and the Communist of North Viet Nam and the lies he told about all of our service men in Viet Nam. I do not want to see him as Commander in Chief, but I would like to see him prosecuted for treason.

9:38 PM  
Robert said...

Chris Dykstra you have'nt got a clue they were not on kerrys' boat
it is amazing how ignorant some
people are Guess what you don't have to be on his boat, to see what is going on Kerry gave you a good snow job on his medals, you see i was also their with don droz on pcf 43


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1:07 AM  
Billy Wilson said...

Thank goodnes, a public toilet, and I need to dump!

12:25 AM  

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